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The Anti-Sodom

What is the modern equivalent of Sodom?

Sdom’s trait

Sdom’s trait

אַרְבַּע מִדּוֹת בָּאָדָם.

הָאוֹמֵר שֶׁלִּי שֶׁלִּי וְשֶׁלְּךָ שֶׁלָּךְ,

זוֹ מִדָּה בֵינוֹנִית.

וְיֵשׁ אוֹמְרִים, זוֹ מִדַּת סְדוֹם.

שֶׁלִּי שֶׁלָּךְ וְשֶׁלְּךָ שֶׁלִּי, – עַם הָאָרֶץ.

שֶׁלִּי שֶׁלָּךְ וְשֶׁלְּךָ שֶׁלָּךְ, – חָסִיד.

שֶׁלִּי שֶׁלִּי וְשֶׁלְּךָ שֶׁלִּי, – רָשָׁע:


Too much justice!

Too much justice!

דאמר ר’ יוחנן לא חרבה ירושלים

אלא על שדנו בה דין תורה

אלא דיני דמגיזתא לדיינו

אלא אימא שהעמידו דיניהם על דין תורה

ולא עבדו לפנים משורת הדין:

בבא מציע דף ל ב


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Do you think there is a “Sedom” today?

first kearn Genesis here and here

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עדינה גוטליב
15.12.2014 14:53

I agree with Alana. I think that in such a turbulent time, Avraham’s capability to honor human dignity distinguishes him among the rest of his society, and proves his righteousness. By not letting himself accept nor adopt the evils that his neighbors were absorbing to, he emphasized the importance of human life and morality.

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Udi Lion
15.12.2014 14:52

great answer but please attach the icon of what you are doind מחלוקת ? קושיא? הוכחה

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עדינה גוטליב
15.12.2014 14:50
I think that modern-day Sdoms still do exist. Though, like Tamar said, there may not be a city in the world where not even 10 righteous people are willing to protest against rape, I firmly believe that to be a by-stander in the face of evil is equivalent to propelling hate forward and letting it thrive. Today, many countries are infamous for having huge sex-trafficking industries that could be deemed the modern form of the sins within Sdom. While not everyone in a city may be guilty of involving themselves in the crime, they are not willing to fight in the face of pure evil, and that in itself is a sin.
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Tamar Willis
15.12.2014 14:07

I think it would be a bit extreme to liken a modern-day place to Sodom would be a bit extreme, but the lesson we learn from Sodom still applies to us.  There aren’t places that I can think of where pure evil prevails and there aren’t even 10 righteous people among them.  However, evil does exist in the world–specifically the type of evil present in the Sodom story, which is ultimately xenophobia.

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אלכס רויזמן
15.12.2014 13:40

In the story of Sodom, the natives sinned by attempting to rape and kill Lot’s guests. This is particularly evil because when individuals visit foreign communities, they are at their most vulnerable. Rather than make Lot’s guests feel more comfortable and assist them in adjusting to their new surroundings, the Sodomites intimidated them and threatened them with physical harm. I think that there are modern day Sodomites as well as modern day “Avrahams,” who display the utmost hospitality.

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